The Chat Room

keep-calm-and-hate-christmas-15An open thread for everyone with comments and questions, suggestions and exhortations, encouragements and concerns



89 responses to “The Chat Room

  1. Sherry, here is the channel that opened my eyes. Having my eyes opened to the way things really are was scary for me, but I’m grateful and can’t return to these things.
    Our church still celebrates the season from just after Thanksgiving until after the new year, hoping to interest unbelievers in coming to church during that time. This was our first year away from church during it. We happened to stop by the church right after it was decorated and saw statues on the Communion where the Bible is kept.
    God bless you for taking this stand!
    Maria YouTube channel

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    • I love that channel. It has been a big help to me in decrying this awful pagan celebration. I like their website, too, but white print on dark backgrounds give me a headache. 😛

      So many are asked to leave their church when they try to reason with the pastor. Some have been called infidels and athiests or of the anti-christ or satanically inspired. Its a rough row to hoe but we have the responsibility to warn people and admonish them to get on track with God’s Word on how He wants us to worship Him.

      God be praised for bringing us “out from among them!”
      God bless you, Maria, and stay healthy!~


      • Thanks, Sherry! Are others talking about having a problem with this in their local churches? Sometimes we can feel alone.

        An interesting story about my health, since you mentioned this. For the first time in many years my husband’s father and his wife expressed the desire to share Christmas dinner with us. It was a shock, a pleasant one because we have been excluded from some family gatherings, and we went and I cooked dinner at their place. Dad is 93 and we don’t know how much time we will still have to be with him on this earth – that was our thinking, more even than pleasing the Lord.

        They then invited us to enjoy the traditional German New Year’s good luck dinner with them (pork and sauerkraut). We did, thinking little about it. We were already sick and so was Dad but we thought it would be okay to gather, since we couldn’t spread any more germs than we already had!

        My husband I have been ill (and his father has been too and is now in the hospital) since just before Christmas. ChristmasIsALie has shown some statistics on these two holidays and the related death statistics. Anyway, if only we’d had the courage to say that we no longer celebrate Christmas and don’t believe in luck, and asked if we could gather another time. I feel that we missed the mark, and that the Lord chastened us. Once you know that something displeases Him, His will is the priority. Tom is still ill, but getting better, and I’m still coughing. My feeling about this is not superstition, but a new understanding of my personal responsibility to be honest, to speak up when I know something is wrong, and to truly help others. God bless you!


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        • I know what its like to miss the mark concerning these pagan/papist celebrations. When I first heard about X Mass I sent every last decoration, tree and all, to the Salvation Army not realizing that we should utterly destroy these things. Thank God for His forgiveness! Even in the first few years of not celebrating the man-made “holy” day I sent X Mass cards and greetings thinking it no different than sending friends Happy Hanukkah greetings. I was wrong!

          I think its OK to get together with the family for dinner and New Year’s Eve so long as we don’t participate in the pagan rituals. If we will speak up, but not argue, about it when greeted with X Mass wishes we may very well minister to the celebrants with the truth. But, if there is strong conviction about attending then I wouldn’t go. Some people just want to argue about it. Or use it as an occasion to call you a hypocrite.

          Remember, Naaman, after coming to the true God, had to go into idol temples with his master and the prophet told him to go ahead, the Lord would overlook it, knowing that he wasn’t going in there to worship the idols.

          The reasons I put this site together was to have a place to put all of the information about these pagan/papist “holy” days and to encourage and strenthen those who were forsaking them. My site is always under some kind of construction in my trying to get it just “right.” But I hope that, with God’s grace, it will always be a place that will help us in some way or another.

          I thank you so very much for all of your encouragements! It has been needed since, lately, I have thought often if I was doing the thing God would have me do with this website. God bless you!~

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  2. Your sharing about how you’ve dealt with this has helped me, and your reference to Naaman – thank you! This ministry is needed, and we can continue to pray for each other. One little seed planted and tended lovingly will bear fruit.
    Enjoy your Sabbath!

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    • What I share is really from others’ hard work, research, edifications and encouragements. We are in this together for the love of our Lord Jesus Christ and our brethren through Him. Enjoy your Sabbath, too!

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  3. I was thinking about our persecuted brethren this morning…what they sacrifice! Though with joyful heartache as they suffer the loss of their children’s lives and property and dignity looking forward to the joy set before them…

    And here the Western Christian cannot give up (sacrifice, if that’s what obedience is for them) what God calls an abomination, the pagan/papist traditions of men “holy” days called X Mass and Easter…

    If only they understood how these days are binding their conscience when they cannot loosen their grip on them for fear of man’s opinion of them. I know what even fellow Christians have to say about it and its quite nasty since they are so offended at the thought that I would tell them that God hates these man-made “holy” days! Have they no other way to celebrate the birth of Christ than in the way of the heathen?

    I bet our persecuted Eastern brethren aren’t too concerned that there won’t be an X Mass this year…

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      • AMEN! You, too!
        Side note: He also saved me from suicide when I cried out to Him not knowing if He even knew who I was or if He even cared about me! AND He also brought us out of Catholicism!!!

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  4. I have a question …I have been struggling with for sometime…Does the Lord want us to go back into the catholic “church” building when a family member dies????
    I feel like if I do then someone is going to think I am acknowledging that catholicism is “ok” for some things…I want to do what the LORD wants me to do…I went back once after the Lord lead us “out of her” to celebrate a remembrance of my husbands twin that had passed away many years ago…I was so uncomfortable that many around us noticed…I couldn’t wait to get OUT OF THERE! I haven’t been back since…my husbands father has had cancer for 2 years he is 83 and will not listen to anyone’s reasoning about catholicism…there’s more but that is the “short version”…(we come from a small town with a lot of relatives and “friends” that practice Catholicism. 😦 )
    Also, come to find out that the LESS we participate in anything worldly the MORE witnessing we get to do than what actually goes on during any of these seasons. I clean houses and you would not believe all the grumbling going on about their trees and how that can’t wait to take the (EXPLICIT) tree down… 😦

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        I feel like if I go back I do not have to participate (Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego…) but after years of being out and having the Lord work on me getting the “images” and mumbling repetitive prayers out of my head I don’t want it flooding back! I think you know what I mean? What I once saw as beautiful is not anymore as the Lord our God has given me NEW EYES and EARS!! Have you gone back in since being out?

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    • Elizabeth, here is my best reply but do take it before the Lord: Remember when Naaman was healed of his leprosy and he gave his devotion to the God of Israel?

      2 Kings 5:17-19 So Naaman said, “Then, if not, please let your servant be given two mule-loads of earth; for your servant will no longer offer either burnt offering or sacrifice to other gods, but to the Lord. Yet in this thing may the Lord pardon your servant: when my master goes into the temple of Rimmon to worship there, and he leans on my hand, and I bow down in the temple of Rimmon—when I bow down in the temple of Rimmon, may the Lord please pardon your servant in this thing.”

      Then he said to him, “Go in peace.”

      You will be put into such circumstances at times and God knows you do not approve. So long as you do not participate in the sacraments you will be okay.

      Maria, do you have more to say? Please do!

      God bless you, Elizabeth. Your father in law and you have my prayers. May God’s precious Holy Spirit bring to him conviction unto godly sorrow and sincere repentance with true saving faith in Christ Jesus, the only true God. amen~

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  5. THANK YOU MUCH FOR YOUR RESPONSE, LADIES! BUT ESPECIALLY FOR YOUR PRAYERS! I love my in laws (and do so, so many family and friends that are still “in her” ) I want them to KNOW the GENUINE FREEDOM THROUGH OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST ALONE! I love them and even though they think I have “gone off the deep end” I LOVE THE LOVE THE LORD HAS PUT ON MY HEART FOR THEM! It is SO nice to tell them “I love you” and know it is the LOVE of GOD putting that on my heart to say that to them.. not my own….

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  6. We get along but there are sad misunderstood things said behind my back. If it were not for the Lord and His Holy Spirit I am sure it would be constant “tornado season” with them and siblings. I have to be reminded off and on when I feel the need to defend myself that it is NOT about me. They are mad at the truths Jesus spoke . I am reminded continually of what Jesus instructed in Matthew 10:16 “Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.”
    I have to remember I too was once “them”.
    With God and for His glory ALL things are possible. They have to lay down their pride that was something that I held on to until the conviction from the Holy Spirit of “Marian” worship was just to strong! PRAISE THE LORD !!!

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  7. These verses come to mind (especially the first one!):

    “And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead” (Matt. 8:21-22).

    “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty” (2 Cor. 6:14-18).

    “Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God” (James 4:4)

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  8. I agree! AMEN!

    As I was reading this a scripture came to me for some reason ( 🙂 )
    Genesis 50:20
    20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.

    It is sad to see yet another thing that God has meant for good-to keep things and ways “ALIGNED” -for HIs Majesty-yet be turned around. Man and his “lofty thoughts”…
    Man thinks his ways are ABOVE God’s ways…
    God, as we are learning, has intended everything to line up properly for His honor and glory so that we may be at peace…
    It’s like man takes a black Sharpie marker and X’s and O’s through the Holy Bible thinking they know more than God…
    Done with rant.
    I will tell you this. I have been learning not to succumb to the sadness and self pity of this world but to keep the LIGHT shining God has given me through HIs Only Begotten Son. To CLING to the JOY only our Lord can give us in a darkening world. As the world darkens our LIGHT should show brighter!

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  9. Good Morning, Sherry and Maria (and anyone else being blessed by this blog!). I am wondering if anyone has given much thought to the cross that Catholicism and Christianity has adopted as a symbol? I was wondering if I may share something I have read about the cross. It would go along with adopting the pagan riddled practice of “Christ-mass”. I found it on the Church Of The Great God website.

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    • (Thank you! I had to leave for awhile after I posted that question!)
      I am not a fan of them either…anymore! I am actually amazed how many people do not give it one thought!

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      • One of the first things I read about paganism in the church was concerning the cross. I got rid of every bit of crosses that I could find in my home. But, even before then I had heard someone say that a cross necklace was like wearing a modern day electric chair around your neck. 😮

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        • Oh, good! I found a lot of good articles on that sight too! If you see something else that peaks your interest please let me know!
          I had never heard that about the “electric chair”…WOW! SO TRUE!

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        • If you feel convicted of anything you see there PLEASE take the site down. I would not want to cause discord. There are so many things to read!

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        • From the Hanegraff article: The 500-member Church of the Great God, headquartered in Fort Mill, South Carolina, began in 1992. According to the group’s account, its head pastor, John Rittenbaugh, resigned from the WCG out of concern that the WCG had abandoned teachings associated with, among other things, “the establishment of the Kingdom of God…and the possible prophetic significance of news events.” The group believes that Armstrong was God’s apostle who was “used to reveal His way in our time.”

          So, maybe we won’t post the site in the links page but should we leave the article’s link here, ladies, or edit it out of the comment thread? Please don’t be discouraged, Elizabeth, and do continue to share links in the Chat Room. I do have a disclaimer for such links as this. Maria, thank you for doing the research and giving us the head’s up! I’ve not been doing too well of late and my husband fell and has been having a hard time getting around-no broken bones but the pain is coming from his pancreas and he also had pain in the area of his liver a few weeks before his fall! Poor guy…

          Let me know what you think. I will try to get on it ASAP! \o/ and xo!

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  10. “The WCG splinter groups offer educational programs, magazines, and other resources that reveal (whether explicitly or not) how strong they feel about their identity with the original WCG. The WCG continues to be controversial, no longer because it denies historic Christian doctrines, but now because it affirms them.”

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      • Thank you, Sisters! It does seem that people do, Sherry YOU ARE RIGHT!
        I would not want someone to eat the leavened bread -because our Lord says a LITTLE LEAVEN SPOILS THE WHOLE LUMP! I don’t want to be responsible for doing that.
        I am sorry about your husband, Sherry!!

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    • Thanks for the prayers. My husband has Asperger’s so he is very thin and, at 65 years old, he is fragile! He doesn’t take anything more than Senior vitamins and low doses of folic acid and an aspirin a day. I will have to check on them. Hmmm…Prilosec did that to your husband? I will have to be careful!

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  11. Question: Do you believe in baby baptism? I do not. I was reading an article about a retraction some one made about infant baptism being wrong. This was the quote that “struck me:
    “However, I will now covenantally insist that the seed of the believer should be baptized as well, lest God count them as unclean.”

    The first thing that came to me is Jesus was not baptized as a baby-at least BIBLICALLY there is no record…so it seems to me this person is saying Jesus was unclean and that would be a lie.
    Thoughts when you have time?

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    • I’m studying this one out myself now. No, Jesus was of the old covenant and so He would have been circumcised as an infant. Covenanters correlate OT circumcision to NT baptism. Neither has anything to do with making one a true Israelite of Abraham or a truly saved Christian. So, I don’t, as yet, get too uptight if one was baptized as an infant.

      Here is a post about it:

      My opinion is if you want to belong to a church that excepts no other baptism than adult (credo-), and you have been baptized as an infant, you need to follow the church’s requirements. Also, I don’t believe that condemning a person for being baptized only as an infant is showing Christian love since the case for it can be made in the scriptures (whole households- meant infants, children, servants-anyone living under the same roof):

      FTA:That theological conclusion is confirmed by the accounts in the book of Acts which reveal that whole households were commonly baptized on the basis of the faith of the head of the household.

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    • Hi, Elizabeth! Infant baptism isn’t what is shown in the Bible, right? However there are Christians who love God’s Word who practice it, as you know. This particular reason for infant baptism is one that’s new for me. It doesn’t seem to be that this particular belief about infant baptism casts any shadow on the Lord’s baptism. Lord bless you for being sensitive to all these things!

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    • Let me add this, too: I knew of a woman who was bothered by her infant baptism (RCC) and so I told her that if her conscience was bothering her then she should consider doing an adult baptism. Whether she did or not I don’t know but it should be a matter of conscience.

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    • I don’t know if this will clear things up for us on infant baptism but I found an explanation for it on one of the sites about the different baptisms that it is considered a baptism of grace where credo-baptism is one of faith. I think that’s why it doesn’t make sense because we perceive there must be faith realized and confessed first. The infant baptism is because one or both of the parents are believers.

      I remember reading about the ancient Jewish wedding rite of the mikvah-a baptism that the Bride and the Bridegroom partook in before their wedding. It was a neat factoid seeing as we are considered the Bride of Christ.

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  12. Do you ever wonder why some Born Again Believer’s conscience bothers them about something more than their fellow Believer’s? Like some can waltz right in the midst of a mass for a wedding or funeral and it doesn’t phase them…or they can have an alcoholic beverage and it doesn’t phase them…then there is me that feels like I am being legalistic, which really I just want to be obedient to the Lord but feel satan nipping at my ankles telling me I am being “legalistic” when in REALITY I find a JOY obeying the Lord and not letting man sway me into “just one” or “go on in God understands”…

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    • Elizabeth, to separate from the idolatrous Mass is definitely obedience not legalism. I’m convinced that the term legalism is misused. Legalism means to keep parts of the law in order to be saved, as Paul warns against in Galatians.
      I do wonder about those who can attend – they must not understand the Mass or be trying to please people instead of the Lord.

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  13. When I said “then there is me” I hope that didn’t sound wrong! I know I am NOT the only one that feels this way 🙂 ❤
    AND thank you for that comment, Maria!

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